The Fantasy Sports Thief: Fantasy Football Top 170

By Thief
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Published: August 24, 2010

Don’t ask me why I chose 170 players, you don’t want to know the answer. OK, I’ll tell you anyway, but in order to do so, I’ve got to give (once again) some insight into HOW I came to these rankings. First things first, I got myself some projected stats. Kudos goes out to Rotowire, as they were my initial source of projections, we’ll call it a template. This template allowed me to download, quite quickly, an entire universe of players. Next step is to segregate these players into positions.

Once players are separated into positions, I can apply a financial statistics concept called ‘Relative Value Analysis’. Essentially, I scan through each player and their projections on my template, and adjust those stats based on my own observations and more importantly, based on the projections of equal players or of a players own past (or alternatively, of past performances by equal players). So if the top RB last year scored 18 tds, and I predict one RB to be this years top scorer, I’m gonna base his predicted td total on that 18 (ok, this is a VERY simplified explanation).

Then we watch the preseason games, injuries, etc and make some more adjustments. This is a fluid process that takes constant rejiggering. For instance, just today I had to adjust my expectations of both Larry Fitzgerald and Sidney Rice. I adjusted Rice way down due to news he will now miss half the season (I placed his rank score at zero, draft at your own risk). I adjusted Fitz down because, well because Leinart apparently can’t hit the broad side of a barn with a pass.

Now it’s modeling time. My model consists of several different factors that culminate in a final ‘score’ for a player. Each players score represents how much better he is than the average guy at his position. This is where 170 comes in. I figure in the average 12 team league that drafts 14 players (not including kickers or defense) you’ll have roughly 170 draftable guys. Thus, when I compare RB’s, I compare them to other RB’s that should be drafted. Other inputs to this model include the players Madden Rank (which I left out for Tight Ends because the rank is skewed towards blocking ability), injury potential, years experience, and team.

In the end we come up with a rank score. How do you interpret this rank score? Simple, a players rank score is his relative ranking compared to the average guy at his position. A positive rank score means he is ‘better than average’. A negative means he is ‘worse than average’. And zero means he’s right about average. Now, if the average player at that position isn’t very far from the best guy at that position, the best guy will have a lower rank score. In other words, while Drew Brees is awesome, he’s just not that much better than the average QB as far as projected stats (and other factors) go. Alternatively, the top RB’s and the top WR’s are much better than the average guy at their position, and thus their rank score gets a bigger boost.

So when you look at two players rank scores, and are choosing between Adrian Peterson and Drew Brees, my model is telling you to take Peterson because it’s likely that he’s much better than an average RB, whilst if you miss Brees and take an average QB (like Carson Palmer), you won’t get hurt as much. Ya feel me?

Now MANY of you have asked me, ‘Thief, does it make sense to just blindly draft by your rank scores’. NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. It’s not that you’d end up with a bad team so much as you’d cheat yourself out of a better team. Check it out, WE know Calvin Johnson is a top 10 guy. Does the rest of your league know that? Probably not, they probably follow some Yahoo board rankings which have Megatron ranked around 19. That’s value to you. That’s where you have to come in and – for snake drafts, be sure he’s your second round pick – in auction drafts, try to get him at a price equal to other top 20 players.

However, if you’re in a snake draft and are looking at picking 4th, things get a little tougher. You can’t afford to let a top guy slide because you likely won’t see him in round 2. So here’s my advice for you: if you’re looking at picking 4th, notice how close the rank scores are for Moss, Turner, and Andre Johnson. The difference between these guys is indistinguishable (though definitely different from say – Ray Rice). Here, it’s your call. You decide if you want a RB first round or a WR. You decide if your league will let a top WR or a top RB slide to you in round two. You decide if you feel better having Moss because you want Schaub as your QB, or maybe Johnson and Brady. Or maybe you’re a Texans fan? I don’t care, in the end you gotta put a little into this.

The most important thing I can tell you, hands down, is to MAKE A GAMEPLAN. This is the single most important part of playing fantasy sports. In a snake draft, you probably know at least an hour out where you’ll be picking. Make up your mind who you’re going to take and start mapping out future rounds. In an auction, lay out who you’re going to spend loot on and give yourself at least one backup at each position in case you get bid out.

Finally, neither I, nor anyone else can tell you how much to spend on a player. Every league is different when it comes to auctions, and every player will go for a different price in every league. Best I can offer is: if you want a guy, pay for him. Keep bidding until you no longer want him. Sure, I could say pay no more than $70 for Peterson. But maybe that’s because I expect Cedric Benson and players of his ilk to go for $40. What if they go for only $20 in your league? You’d be kicking yourself for not spending an extra dollar or four and watching the lower guys go cheaper. You just don’t know.

Listed below are the Fantasy Sports Thief’s Top 170 players, with Madden Ranks, Rank Scores and Overall Ranks. To make it easier on you, you can link to a cheatsheet via google docs here. Best of luck to you all. My first (blech snake blech) draft is tomorrow night. Once it’s over, I’ll be sure to post a recap. I hope you find this helpful.

And ALWAYS remember: Don’t worry playa, the Thief’s got you covered!

First	Last	Team	Madden Rank	Rank Score	Rank
Adrian	Peterson	MIN	98	19.9904	1
Maurice	Jones-Drew	JAC	96	17.9863	2
Chris	Johnson	TEN	99	16.1464	3
Randy	Moss	NE	95	15.6949	4
Michael	Turner	ATL	90	15.5355	5
Andre	Johnson	HOU	98	14.2111	6
Calvin	Johnson	DET	91	11.8989	7
Ray	Rice	BAL	90	11.1469	8
Brandon	Marshall	MIA	96	10.6113	9
Drew	Brees	NO	99	10.5415	10
Rashard	Mendenhall	PIT	87	10.2019	11
Larry	Fitzgerald	ARZ	97	10.1898	12
Miles	Austin	DAL	88	9.8342	13
Steven	Jackson	STL	95	9.0954	14
Peyton	Manning	IND	99	8.9325	15
Frank	Gore	SF	93	8.5426	16
Chad	Ochocinco	CIN	91	8.3794	17
Aaron	Rodgers	GB	94	8.1468	18
Ryan	Mathews	SD	77	7.5047	19
Roddy	White	ATL	93	7.4267	20
Tom	Brady	NE	95	7.2540	21
Anquan	Boldin	BAL	91	7.1573	22
DeSean	Jackson	PHI	91	7.1445	23
Cedric	Benson	CIN	89	7.1233	24
Philip	Rivers	SD	94	6.9753	25
Joe	Flacco	BAL	87	6.0719	26
Shonn	Greene	NYJ	81	5.9480	27
Reggie	Wayne	IND	96	5.8441	28
Tony	Romo	DAL	90	5.6667	29
Greg	Jennings	GB	90	5.6308	30
Antonio	Gates	SD	N/A	5.1465	31
Matt	Schaub	HOU	89	5.1400	32
Carson	Palmer	CIN	87	4.9017	33
DeAngelo	Williams	CAR	92	4.8911	34
Jermichael	Finley	GB	N/A	4.7902	35
Marques	Colston	NO	89	4.7761	36
Dallas	Clark	IND	N/A	4.7248	37
Pierre	Thomas	NO	84	4.6785	38
Ronnie	Brown	MIA	89	4.0109	39
Steve	Smith	CAR	92	3.9294	40
Matt	Forte	CHI	86	3.9096	41
Clinton	Portis	WAS	85	3.7853	42
Brett	Favre	MIN	92	3.6540	43
Donovan	McNabb	WAS	89	3.6416	44
Jamaal	Charles	KC	87	3.5912	45
Vernon	Davis	SF	N/A	3.3362	46
Joseph	Addai	IND	86	3.2169	47
T.J.	Houshmandzadeh	SEA	87	3.1052	48
Santana	Moss	WAS	83	3.0654	49
Michael	Bush	OAK	78	2.9867	50
Matt	Ryan	ATL	86	2.9739	51
Ryan	Grant	GB	88	2.7428	52
Malcom	Floyd	SD	76	2.5468	53
Brent	Celek	PHI	N/A	2.3923	54
Chris	Wells	ARZ	82	2.3773	55
Percy	Harvin	MIN	84	2.3454	56
Hines	Ward	PIT	89	2.1269	57
Mike	Sims-Walker	JAC	85	2.0423	58
Jerome	Harrison	CLE	83	1.9983	59
Michael	Crabtree	SF	83	1.9904	60
Jahvid	Best	DET	75	1.9852	61
Brandon	Jacobs	NYG	84	1.9043	62
Knowshon	Moreno	DEN	82	1.7914	63
Vincent	Jackson	SD	90	1.6186	64
Eli	Manning	NYG	89	1.5812	65
Ben	Roethlisberger	PIT	88	1.5218	66
Kellen	Winslow	TB	N/A	1.4702	67
Dwayne	Bowe	KC	84	1.4693	68
Visanthe	Shiancoe	MIN	N/A	1.4386	69
LeSean	McCoy	PHI	79	1.3984	70
Terrell	Owens	FA	83	1.3313	71
Justin	Forsett	SEA	76	1.2285	72
Marion	Barber	DAL	84	1.2219	73
Braylon	Edwards	NYJ	85	1.0249	74
Felix	Jones	DAL	83	0.1699	75
Owen	Daniels	HOU	N/A	0.0162	76
Sidney	Rice	MIN	90	0.0000	77
Kevin	Kolb	PHI	75	-0.0683	78
Greg	Olsen	CHI	N/A	-0.1147	79
John	Carlson	SEA	N/A	-0.1147	79
Matt	Hasselbeck	SEA	79	-0.1805	81
Jonathan	Stewart	CAR	88	-0.3139	82
Pierre	Garcon	IND	80	-0.3495	83
Lee	Evans	BUF	84	-0.3864	84
Tony	Gonzalez	ATL	N/A	-0.4042	85
Zach	Miller	OAK	N/A	-0.4842	86
Thomas	Jones	KC	88	-0.9143	87
C.J.	Spiller	BUF	77	-1.1725	88
Jason	Witten	DAL	N/A	-1.1736	89
Matt	Moore	CAR	76	-1.2258	90
Robert	Meachem	NO	82	-1.6414	91
Dez	Bryant	DAL	80	-1.6805	92
Steven	Smith	NYG	88	-1.8185	93
Alex	Smith	SF	77	-1.9671	94
Heath	Miller	PIT	N/A	-2.0183	95
Hakeem	Nicks	NYG	81	-2.0929	96
David	Garrard	JAC	79	-2.2176	97
Donald	Driver	GB	89	-2.2755	98
Vince	Young	TEN	79	-2.4023	99
Mark	Sanchez	NYJ	82	-2.4541	100
Chaz	Schilens	OAK	73	-2.5117	101
Fred	Davis	WAS	N/A	-2.5781	102
Ahmad	Bradshaw	NYG	78	-2.6001	103
Kenny	Britt	TEN	82	-2.6013	104
Todd	Heap	BAL	N/A	-2.6653	105
Roy	Williams	DAL	82	-2.7485	106
Jeremy	Maclin	PHI	81	-2.7711	107
Kevin	Boss	NYG	N/A	-2.8253	108
LaDainian	Tomlinson	NYJ	82	-2.8400	109
Brian	Westbrook	SF	82	-2.8400	109
Arian	Foster	HOU	67	-2.8954	111
Steve	Slaton	HOU	76	-2.9007	112
Donald	Brown	IND	78	-2.9658	113
Devin	Thomas	WAS	74	-3.0200	114
Austin	Collie	IND	76	-3.1089	115
Chad	Henne	MIA	79	-3.1413	116
Chris	Chambers	KC	82	-3.2091	117
Chris	Cooley	WAS	N/A	-3.3474	118
Jay	Cutler	CHI	83	-3.3637	119
Dustin	Keller	NYJ	N/A	-3.6673	120
Mike	Wallace	PIT	78	-3.8760	121
Ben	Watson	CLE	N/A	-3.9218	122
Fred	Jackson	BUF	83	-4.3400	123
Chester	Taylor	CHI	79	-4.3805	124
Mohamed	Massaquoi	CLE	75	-4.4818	125
Matt	Leinart	ARZ	75	-4.6051	126
Jason	Campbell	OAK	83	-4.6124	127
Wes	Welker	NE	91	-4.6169	128
Kevin	Walter	HOU	77	-4.6859	129
Devin	Aromashodu	CHI	70	-4.8197	130
Santonio	Holmes	NYJ	87	-4.8231	131
Derrick	Mason	BAL	85	-4.8366	132
Reggie	Bush	NO	80	-4.8972	133
Matt	Cassel	KC	78	-4.9638	134
Ricky	Williams	MIA	87	-4.9730	135
Mario	Manningham	NYG	76	-5.0606	136
Jerricho	Cotchery	NYJ	85	-5.1181	137
Darren	McFadden	OAK	77	-5.1876	138
Donnie	Avery	STL	75	-5.1921	139
Willis	McGahee	BAL	83	-5.3297	140
Mike	Williams	SEA	61	-5.3764	141
Devin	Hester	CHI	78	-5.5205	142
Steve	Breaston	ARZ	80	-5.6990	143
Josh	Cribbs	CLE	78	-5.8662	144
Ben	Tate	HOU	72	-5.8926	145
Johnny	Knox	CHI	75	-5.9216	146
Julian	Edelman	NE	76	-5.9500	147
Legedu	Naanee	SD	69	-6.1158	148
Antonio	Bryant	CIN	83	-6.2387	149
Kyle	Orton	DEN	80	-6.3659	150
Jabar	Gaffney	DEN	75	-6.5295	151
Matthew	Stafford	DET	80	-6.5889	152
Laurence	Maroney	NE	78	-6.6570	153
Torry	Holt	NE	79	-6.7585	154
Cadillac	Williams	TB	77	-6.7728	155
Larry	Johnson	WAS	81	-6.7799	156
Montario	Hardesty	CLE	74	-6.9087	157
Tim	Hightower	ARZ	79	-7.0465	158
Bernard	Berrian	MIN	75	-7.2782	159
Sam	Bradford	STL	80	-7.3016	160
Marshawn	Lynch	BUF	81	-7.4101	161
Mike	Bell	PHI	77	-7.5564	162
Josh	Freeman	TB	77	-7.7745	163
Tashard	Choice	DAL	77	-8.2820	164
Trent	Edwards	BUF	70	-8.5792	165
Jake	Delhomme	CLE	74	-9.1907	166
Derrick	Ward	TB	75	-9.3257	167
Toby	Gerhart	MIN	71	-9.6186	168
Leon	Washington	NYJ	80	-9.8577	169
Julius	Jones	SEA	77	-10.6168	170

First   Last   Team   Madden Rank   Rank Score   Rank
Adrian   Peterson   MIN   98   19.99042162   1
Maurice   Jones-Drew   JAC   96   17.98633362   2
Chris   Johnson   TEN   99   16.14640421   3
Randy   Moss   NE    95   15.69489666   4
Michael   Turner   ATL   90   15.53553525   5
Andre   Johnson   HOU   98   14.21107332   6
Calvin   Johnson   DET   91   11.89892769   7
Ray   Rice   BAL   90   11.14686588   8
Brandon   Marshall   MIA   96   10.61133805   9
Drew   Brees   NO    99   10.5414847   10
Rashard   Mendenhall   PIT   87   10.20185068   11
Larry   Fitzgerald   ARZ   97   10.18979542   12
Miles   Austin   DAL   88   9.834210021   13
Steven   Jackson   STL   95   9.09540107   14
Peyton   Manning   IND   99   8.932493637   15
Frank   Gore   SF    93   8.542633748   16
Chad   Ochocinco   CIN   91   8.379429113   17
Aaron   Rodgers   GB    94   8.146764476   18
Ryan   Mathews   SD    77   7.504678549   19
Roddy   White   ATL   93   7.426746127   20
Tom   Brady   NE    95   7.254006965   21
Anquan   Boldin   BAL   91   7.157272563   22
DeSean   Jackson   PHI   91   7.144474   23
Cedric   Benson   CIN   89   7.123345265   24
Philip   Rivers   SD    94   6.975251473   25
Joe   Flacco   BAL   87   6.071899778   26
Shonn   Greene   NYJ   81   5.947983239   27
Reggie   Wayne   IND   96   5.844085793   28
Tony   Romo   DAL   90   5.666681776   29
Greg   Jennings   GB    90   5.630798274   30
Antonio   Gates   SD    N/A   5.146478745   31
Matt   Schaub   HOU   89   5.139983159   32
Carson   Palmer   CIN   87   4.901668686   33
DeAngelo   Williams   CAR   92   4.891056753   34
Jermichael   Finley   GB    N/A   4.790230361   35
Marques   Colston   NO    89   4.776142332   36
Dallas   Clark   IND   N/A   4.724796984   37
Pierre   Thomas   NO    84   4.678504983   38
Ronnie   Brown   MIA   89   4.010943864   39
Steve   Smith   CAR   92   3.929399361   40
Matt   Forte   CHI   86   3.909584039   41
Clinton   Portis   WAS   85   3.785348467   42
Brett   Favre   MIN   92   3.654040268   43
Donovan   McNabb   WAS   89   3.641620653   44
Jamaal   Charles   KC    87   3.591151089   45
Vernon   Davis   SF    N/A   3.336155322   46
Joseph   Addai   IND   86   3.216878474   47
T.J.   Houshmandzadeh   SEA   87   3.105226135   48
Santana   Moss   WAS   83   3.065422959   49
Michael   Bush   OAK   78   2.9866954   50
Matt   Ryan   ATL   86   2.973860265   51
Ryan   Grant   GB    88   2.742823145   52
Malcom   Floyd   SD    76   2.546755843   53
Brent   Celek   PHI   N/A   2.392292354   54
Chris   Wells   ARZ   82   2.377273004   55
Percy   Harvin   MIN   84   2.345445567   56
Hines   Ward   PIT   89   2.126946024   57
Mike   Sims-Walker   JAC   85   2.042347878   58
Jerome   Harrison   CLE   83   1.998273654   59
Michael   Crabtree   SF    83   1.990449882   60
Jahvid   Best   DET   75   1.985225725   61
Brandon   Jacobs   NYG   84   1.90434085   62
Knowshon   Moreno   DEN   82   1.79139467   63
Vincent   Jackson   SD    90   1.618555023   64
Eli   Manning   NYG   89   1.581217214   65
Ben   Roethlisberger   PIT   88   1.521841709   66
Kellen   Winslow   TB    N/A   1.470240512   67
Dwayne   Bowe   KC    84   1.469260318   68
Visanthe   Shiancoe   MIN   N/A   1.438587395   69
LeSean   McCoy   PHI   79   1.39840565   70
Terrell   Owens   FA    83   1.331323895   71
Justin   Forsett   SEA   76   1.228480144   72
Marion   Barber   DAL   84   1.22188902   73
Braylon   Edwards   NYJ   85   1.024862131   74
Felix   Jones   DAL   83   0.169937461   75
Owen   Daniels   HOU   N/A   0.016165473   76
Sidney   Rice   MIN   90   0   77
Kevin   Kolb   PHI   75   -0.068325377   78
Greg   Olsen   CHI   N/A   -0.114701281   79
John   Carlson   SEA   N/A   -0.114701281   79
Matt   Hasselbeck   SEA   79   -0.180482142   81
Jonathan   Stewart   CAR   88   -0.31392347   82
Pierre   Garcon   IND   80   -0.349543095   83
Lee   Evans   BUF   84   -0.386425093   84
Tony   Gonzalez   ATL   N/A   -0.40423048   85
Zach   Miller   OAK   N/A   -0.484204608   86
Thomas   Jones   KC    88   -0.91434717   87
C.J.   Spiller   BUF   77   -1.172522899   88
Jason   Witten   DAL   N/A   -1.173604443   89
Matt   Moore   CAR   76   -1.225824074   90
Robert   Meachem   NO    82   -1.641387996   91
Dez   Bryant   DAL   80   -1.680487429   92
Steven   Smith   NYG   88   -1.818456644   93
Alex   Smith   SF    77   -1.967103136   94
Heath   Miller   PIT   N/A   -2.018253774   95
Hakeem   Nicks   NYG   81   -2.092889209   96
David   Garrard   JAC   79   -2.217551428   97
Donald   Driver   GB    89   -2.275547191   98
Vince   Young   TEN   79   -2.402328113   99
Mark   Sanchez   NYJ   82   -2.454104118   100
Chaz   Schilens   OAK   73   -2.511657477   101
Fred   Davis   WAS   N/A   -2.578072664   102
Ahmad   Bradshaw   NYG   78   -2.600141113   103
Kenny   Britt   TEN   82   -2.60128021   104
Todd   Heap   BAL   N/A   -2.665317166   105
Roy   Williams   DAL   82   -2.748463683   106
Jeremy   Maclin   PHI   81   -2.771106837   107
Kevin   Boss   NYG   N/A   -2.825265421   108
LaDainian   Tomlinson   NYJ   82   -2.839987692   109
Brian   Westbrook   SF    82   -2.839987692   109
Arian   Foster   HOU   67   -2.895449616   111
Steve   Slaton   HOU   76   -2.900700712   112
Donald   Brown   IND   78   -2.965789908   113
Devin   Thomas   WAS   74   -3.020048478   114
Austin   Collie   IND   76   -3.108934675   115
Chad   Henne   MIA   79   -3.141257377   116
Chris   Chambers   KC    82   -3.209105743   117
Chris   Cooley   WAS   N/A   -3.347446627   118
Jay   Cutler   CHI   83   -3.363708043   119
Dustin   Keller   NYJ   N/A   -3.667343135   120
Mike   Wallace   PIT   78   -3.876038499   121
Ben   Watson   CLE   N/A   -3.921806267   122
Fred   Jackson   BUF   83   -4.339965515   123
Chester   Taylor   CHI   79   -4.380523218   124
Mohamed   Massaquoi   CLE   75   -4.481826209   125
Matt   Leinart   ARZ   75   -4.605110737   126
Jason   Campbell   OAK   83   -4.612397935   127
Wes   Welker   NE    91   -4.616874247   128
Kevin   Walter   HOU   77   -4.685899471   129
Devin   Aromashodu   CHI   70   -4.819654047   130
Santonio   Holmes   NYJ   87   -4.82305874   131
Derrick   Mason   BAL   85   -4.836561047   132
Reggie   Bush   NO    80   -4.897211537   133
Matt   Cassel   KC    78   -4.963790713   134
Ricky   Williams   MIA   87   -4.972975898   135
Mario   Manningham   NYG   76   -5.060609307   136
Jerricho   Cotchery   NYJ   85   -5.11812943   137
Darren   McFadden   OAK   77   -5.187605671   138
Donnie   Avery   STL   75   -5.192146448   139
Willis   McGahee   BAL   83   -5.329746155   140
Mike   Williams   SEA   61   -5.376358738   141
Devin   Hester   CHI   78   -5.520547622   142
Steve   Breaston   ARZ   80   -5.699023758   143
Josh   Cribbs   CLE   78   -5.866215022   144
Ben   Tate   HOU   72   -5.892628944   145
Johnny   Knox   CHI   75   -5.921558327   146
Julian   Edelman   NE    76   -5.950003222   147
Legedu   Naanee   SD    69   -6.115754205   148
Antonio   Bryant   CIN   83   -6.238707423   149
Kyle   Orton   DEN   80   -6.365882619   150
Jabar   Gaffney   DEN   75   -6.529490063   151
Matthew   Stafford   DET   80   -6.588880807   152
Laurence   Maroney   NE    78   -6.657000069   153
Torry   Holt   NE    79   -6.758456706   154
Cadillac   Williams   TB    77   -6.772819885   155
Larry   Johnson   WAS   81   -6.779876215   156
Montario   Hardesty   CLE   74   -6.908669268   157
Tim   Hightower   ARZ   79   -7.046464936   158
Bernard   Berrian   MIN   75   -7.27820599   159
Sam   Bradford   STL   80   -7.301552235   160
Marshawn   Lynch   BUF   81   -7.410128393   161
Mike   Bell   PHI   77   -7.556405594   162
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golfin14

Awesome thanks Thief, right in time my draft is in 30 min…I have the first pick…taking Peterson first, who should I target in round 2 and 3?
eric

Hey Thief,Thanks a lot for cheat sheet. I really appreciate it. Are your thievin' auction strategies still applicable, seeing as how they're not broken down into tiers.
The_Thief

LOL – i busted that piece out in double time just for you. Look, word isMegatron is falling into round two – if that happens, you go him (or Moss ifit's him). Else, I think you go RB in rd 2, then either QB or WR based onrank scores.
The_Thief

ALWAYS!
Chris

Hey thief, Andres Torres was just dropped in my league, while Brian Roberts cleared waivers. Like any of them over anyone on my team:C:Montero1B:Howard2B:McGehee3B:A-RamSS:InfanteOF:Kemp,Pence,LindUTL:Derrek LeeBN:Aaron Hill, Elvis Andrus, CuddyerDL:BerkmanSP:Sabbathia,Hamels, Wandy, Romero, SchezerRP:Axford,Storen,Lyon
eric

Haha. I ended up spending all my money on Brees, AP, Moss, and Andre Johnson. Bad strategy? Should I aim for cheaper players?
eric

I feel like I got too many t1 players and not enough t2. hmmmmmmmm
golfin14

Well thief just got finished…it was pretty intense, not sure how I did but I did my best. I messed up and accidentily took S. Moss too early, didn't mean to hit the button. But let me know how I did. Special thanks to Morskie and Gwan for your help also, and ofcourse couldn't do it w/out the thief…i'm not sure how this is, but let me know.RB-PetersonWR-FitzRB- BensonWR-OchoWR/TE-Santana MossRB-Ronnie BrownWR-TJ HoushQB- PalmerTE-WinslowDEF-DallasQB2-RyanBN-PortisBN-Braylon EdwardsK- Akers
golfin14

my league is 2 RB so I have 2 on the bench
The_Thief

No I love it. I'll prolly do something similar. Make sure you get a solid RB2. For a DEEP sleeper there go Jerome Harrison. Should be a 1$ pick.
The_Thief

Solid. A+ RB's and that's half the battle. Love the QB's, love the WR's, like the bench but yeah, Moss sticks out. I see you moving him n Ryan after a big early game an finishing this masterpiece.All in all, A- work. Well done!
acsparks714

The Reds are considering moving Edinson Volquez to the bullpen."We've got two or three different scenarios," said Reds manager Dusty Baker. The easiest would be to put Mike Leake back in the starting rotation, though they are hoping to limit his innings down the stretch. The team could also opt to activate Aaron Harang from a minor league rehab assignment or call up Matt Maloney from the minors. Whichever way they go, it's clear Volquez can't be relied on just one year after Tommy John surgery. Besides being knocked around for five runs over two-thirds of an inning Monday, he has a mediocre 36/27 K/BB ratio in 35 innings with the Reds this season.
bandoogiemanz

Hey Thief nation. I'm relatively new to fantasy sports as this is my first year doing it. The Thief's strategies helped me become runner up in my basketball league, and I'm currently sitting undefeated at 20-0 in my baseball league. So, I just finished my first football mock draft. Of course nothing went as expected. This is what I wound up with. Is there anything solid in here I can build off for when the real draft rolls around Sunday? Thanks for any input:1. Frank Gore (SF – RB) 2. Miles Austin (Dal – WR) 3. Philip Rivers (SD – QB) 4. Malcolm Floyd (SD – WR) 5. Chad Ochocinco (Cin – WR) 6. Joe Flacco (Bal – QB) 7. Clinton Portis (Was – RB) 8. Matt Ryan (Atl – QB) 9. Vince Young (Ten – QB) 10. Owen Daniels (Hou – TE) 11. Philadelphia (Phi – DEF) 12. New York (NYG – DEF) 13. Darren McFadden (Oak – RB) 14. Todd Heap (Bal – TE) 15. Sebastian Janikowski (Oak – K)
bandoogiemanz

So, should I be looking to replace him? If so, any suggestions? I was looking at Zimmerman from the Nationals, but I already need a replacement for Strasburg, so I would still need an additional pitcher.
The_Thief

Bando! What's up buddy. Glad to hear baseball is going well. As for football, it's good you're practicing. This draft is pretty bad. Try another one. Hold off on QB til later (unless ur getting a top 3 guy in rd 2/3). Then report back.
acsparks714

No need to take 4 QB either take 2 and you'll be set.
Alex

Thief, can I get your thinking on putting LeSean McCoy so far down in your rankings? Is it because of the pass-heavy nature of Philly's offense?
acsparks714

Just finished my first auction mock draft. How did I do?QB – Joe Flacco $2RB – Adrian Peterson $70RB – Stephen Jackson $45WR – Brandon Marshall $31WR – Roddy White $30WR – T.J. Houshmandzadeh $6TE – Visanthe Shiancoe $5 (Good deal?)K – Jay Feely $1DEF – Miami $1BN – Steve Slaton $1 (I nominated him and got him for $1, none of the bots bit…) Didn't want himBN – Mike Wallace $4BN – Justin Forsett $1 (Another $1 nomination) Didn't want himBN – Clinton Portis $1BN – Braylon Edwards $1BN – Ben Roethlisberger $1
Willccu

Thanks for all your help I really appreciate it thief
Alex

Thief,I'm getting ready for a snake draft on ESPN so I compared the average draft position on ESPN for players 1-150 with your rankings and came up with some good/bad values…(The number in parentheses is your rating compared to average draft position)For Picks 1-50,Good Value1. Chad Ochocinco (27.4)2. Calvin Johnson (17.1)3. Anquan Boldin (16.5)Bad Value1. Sidney Rice (-41.5)2. Ryan Grant (-34.5)3. Steve Smith, Car (-47.1)4. Jonathan Stewart (-38.7)5. LeSean McCoy (-31.9)6. Knowshon Moreno (-31.3)7. DeAngelo Williams (-20.2)The Worst Values Overall were:1. Ricky Williams (-75.6)2. Wes Welker (-68.8)3. Reggie Bush (-66.9)The Best Values Overall were:1. Malcolm Floyd (76.3)2. Carson Palmer (69.7)3. Micheal Bush (54.8)There's a lot of other interesting ones, but I think it's going to really help me get good value…Thanks!
Konglong_Stomp

Awesome, thanks for the tips Alex. I noticed the same thing about Ochocinco too, in my mock auction drafts he was going for pretty low, maybe ~$17, around the same price as a lot of lower ranked receivers.
Konglong_Stomp

Wow your bench looks pretty good to me. I can't believe the bots didn't bit on Forsett / Portis, I was planning on snatching them up in some of my mock drafts but the bots started bidding them up! I think Forsett went for $5 to a bot and $12 for Portis.
The_Thief

Yeah an to be honest, I see him as a bust. He's just not that good.
The_Thief

Hahaha. AC this is a dream team. Don't plan on doin this well. I agree on Slaton, the takeaway is to be careful with late $1 nominations. However forsett for a $1 is a potential keeper
The_Thief

This is awesome! Thanks!!
morskie

good job, man!
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/4NGGHYYMQBHIINDPPLPS4OR4TA Carlos S.

Thief, 2nd mock draft, 1st time fantasy football manager, I find it so funny that I'm drafting players that I have no idea who they are lol…anyway you score me an A+ on my first one but said there was no way I would end up with a team like that on a real draft. How about this one?QB. RiversWR. MossWR. FitzWR. MossRB. Steven JacksonRB. Ronnie BrownTE. WinslowD. PhillyK. TynesB. Forsett, Addai, T.O, Edelman, Alex Smith, Portis.
Alex

If anyone's interested, here's a link to download the ESPN/Thief comparison for the first 150 picks in a pdf file.http://www.mediafire.com/?xmciwutmg8o3yz9
morskie

thanks! this is great!
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/V5JT2FFLWEQK73GZX4JQAVEEBE qwan

Thief you did it again with this post. I love how you broke down the snake & auction drafts so masterfully. You are the man! This cheatsheet puts you heads above everyone else before we even start the season. Other managers are not going to know what hit them with this tool. Morskie, I'm coming for that championship this year. Previous years, I've done satifactory. But, this year I will bring home the gold.
morskie

Sleeper Alert: Maroney Looks to up Madden Ratinghttp://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/…..LOL
morskie

bring it on Qwan! =)
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/V5JT2FFLWEQK73GZX4JQAVEEBE qwan

LMAO! He needs to up his YPC average lol. Maybe stay healthy for majority of the season.
The_Thief

Great wideouts but not enough strength at RB (though it's good if it was a snake draft). I'd rather see a lower QB (Palmer, Flacco) n a better RB1 (like Turner). BUT again, if this is a snake draft and you drafted 7 or higher, then it's very good.
The_Thief

You rule!
The_Thief

Nice! Ha!
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/V5JT2FFLWEQK73GZX4JQAVEEBE qwan

You crushed that draft. Hands down you should be in the top 3 coming out of the gate. Good Job!
morskie

Maroney is supposed to get the 1st half tomorrow night against the Rams. If he doesn't light them up, he's cooked.
morskie

The downside to mock auctions – you get one jerk in there that gets outbid for a player and then goes and buys Megatron for $53 and leaves… grrr… lol
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/V5JT2FFLWEQK73GZX4JQAVEEBE qwan

Do you guys really see Harvin being able to play with the Migrane situation? The news keeps playing this one up quite a bit. Maybe theres fire to the smoke thats being blown around this story.
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/V5JT2FFLWEQK73GZX4JQAVEEBE qwan

happens everytime. I saw these two jerks run the price up for AP to $120 and both of them left after that.
The_Thief

I'll buy that draft day discount.
Biglil

Thief, does Camarillo now going to the Vikings in a trade make him a better commonity? Or do you still put the odds on Harvin to be the man will Rice is out. What do you predict for Camarillo, is he worth a draft pick in say the 6th or 7th round?
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/V5JT2FFLWEQK73GZX4JQAVEEBE qwan

Man, I havent heard of this guy since Miami. Does Camarillo even make the top 170 players? lol. Big Lil, I dont know if this makes him a threat. I mean we still got Berrian and Shiancoe to consider. And Brett loves his TE's. See Bubba Franks. Camarillo would have to sniff a slot position first lol. I really am concerned with Harvin and these Migranes though. Dont want to see this guy take a hit to the head or concussion. See him being out for weeks. I agree with thief, Harvin will got for $5 or less or late rounder in a snake. This is a lot to consider, when the old man has busted ankle to boot.
golfin14

Thanks buddy!
golfin14

Thanks morskie, I had yours and qwan's comments and advice written down, helped a lot!
golfin14

Just hit you w a donation Thief, hah a measly 5 bucks for all the help you give is ridiculous, really can't believe this site is free
http://twitter.com/Dalerax Robert Witt

Hey Thief, this is my first year doing fantasy football as I'm trying to learn more about the game and become a bigger fan. I think I have an okay team but could probably use some improvement:QB: Philip Rivers, Matt HasselbeckRB: Adrian Peterson, DeAngelo Williams, Justin Forsett, Clinton Portis, Donald BrownWR: Miles Austin, Hakeem Nicks, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Bernard Berrian, Santonio Holmes, Johnny KnoxTE: Kellen WinslowK: Lawrence TynesDEF: DallasWhere can I improve this team? Like I said it's my first year so constructive criticism is definitely welcomed. I made a few mistakes in the draft where I could've had better picks but I'm learning as I go.
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/V5JT2FFLWEQK73GZX4JQAVEEBE qwan

You have massive depth at RB. Nice!. Your backup QB needs some help. Your Wideouts go flat after Austin. TJ Housh is a solid WR3 to have. Holmes could be vital after suspension, Berrian could be ok. I really like Knox this year. I think you may need to package one of those backs at a sell high point with one of those potential upside WR to land a solid WR2. Think Ochocinco, Jennings, or Steve Smith range. I'm looking at Portis to be dealt when he gets hot for a WR2. Because i feel he is eventually going to get hurt mid season. Other than that pretty decent for your first draft.
http://twitter.com/Dalerax Robert Witt

Glad to hear that. I'm playing with some seasoned vets when it comes to fantasy football, so I'll be happy with any success.A buddy of mine is weak at RB and maybe I could do something here. His team is:QB: Peyton Manning, Alex SmithRB: Shonn Greene, Michael Bush, Carnell WilliamsWR: Steve Smith (CAR), Steve Smith (NYG), Jeremy Maclin, Braylon Edwards, Mike Thomas, Greg Camarillo, Legedu NaaneeTE: Chris Cooley, Kevin BossK: Rob BironasDEF: San FranciscoI'm wondering if he's potentially a place I could improve my team by unloading a RB. Any thoughts? Thanks for the help and advice!
Blad3

Hey thief, just finished an 10 team mock auction draft gearing up for the real thing. Let me know what you think needs work or should be done better, thanks.J Flacco $4R Wayne $36A Miles $27G Jennings $25M Turner $45R Matthews $45C Portis $3B Berrian $3R Bironas $2S Holmes $1K Britt $2A Foster $1C Palmer $1Green Bay $2Z Miller $1
acsparks714

Try Philip Rivers+Deangelo Williams+Donald Brown=Peyton Manning+Shonn Green+Braylon Edwards or Jeremy Maclin
The_Thief

No. Avoid. He's going undrafted.
The_Thief

Much obliged bro. This Sammy Adams is on you!!
The_Thief

WR's is where you need help. Keep Austin, but look for a guy like Ocho, Boldin, or Fitzgerald (all going cheap). Try a 2-1 with a forsett type back but don't be afraid to move Deangelo for the right guy.
The_Thief

Great minds think alike!!
The_Thief

Nope. His whole team is WEAK
The_Thief

This is a dream team bro. Great draft but no way it goes this well in real life. This is the team to shoot for.
The_Thief

Dayum!!!!
Ritzi24

just drafted. love my team. i got fifth overall on a 10 team league and here is my team1. (5) Ray Rice2. (16) Randy Moss3. (25) Miles Austin4. (36) Steven Jackson5. (45) Wes Welker6. (56) Jahvid Best7. (65) Brent Celek8. (76) T.J. Houshmandzadeh9. (85) Justin Forsett10. (96) Marion Barber11. (105) Robert Meachem12. (116) Joe Flacco13. (125) Jay Cutler14. (136) Sidney Rice15. (145) Philadelphia16. (156) Adam Vinatierithis is for $100/entry. was invited by a coworker. boy am i glad that i joined. look at this team.
Ritzi24

6 pts for all td, starting qb, 3 wr, 2 rb, 1 w/r, 1 te, 1def, 1k 6 bn
its_andrew

wow steven jackson fell down to 4th rd?!
eric

Hey Thief,Just completed my snake draft. I got 6th overall in a 10 team league w/ IDP. =(1. Michael Turner2. Calvin Johnson3. Cedric Benson4. Tom Brady5. Ronnie Brown6. Housh7. Santana Moss8. Clinton Portis9. Vincent Jackson10. Carson Palmer11. Jared Allen12. Laurinaitis13. Posluszny14. Pollard15. Weddle16. Mario Williams17. Owen Daniels18. Sidney Rice19. DansbyQB / 3 WR / 2 RB / 1 TE / 1 Flex (w/r/t) / 1 K / 2 D / 2 DB / 2 DL / 5 bench. Wasn't too sure how to handle the IDP picks. Haha.
Biglil

Good call Qwan. I was thinking 2 years ago when Camarillo actually caught 2 passes per game.
its_andrew

wow thanks alex! this will come in handy!
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HCSPPP4KG6MY65OYVZGFJZOIJM Mak

What's Up Thief, It's been awhiiiilleee but, im back again! Was one of your biggest supporters back when you first started.. Took a break from the fantasy..Got myself into a huge 16 team league PPR 13th overall pick, but i came out alright..The guy who had Sidney Rice dropped him and i have #4 waiver, should i do it????The real question is he offered me Felix Jones and Vince Young, for Clinton Portis and Nate Burleson, what do you think???? (We always think alike but i have to ask to rattle that brain again)..Heres My Team (I didn't forget):QB Brett Favre (V Young could be a good back up, since Leftwich and Feely are the only FA starters)RB D Williams (been trying to package with Meachem to get a top WR and another decent RB in return, any suggestions) (just saw your post about not being afraid to move him and i was feeling that way from day one, told you we think alike lol)RB MendenhallWR WardWR Santana MossTE WinslowWR/RB/TE PortisBN MeachemBN BurlesonBN NaaneeBN Anthony Gonzalez (thinking of dropping him for Mike Thomas (JAC))You know all your input is always welcome.. Let me have it!
Aa

basketball fantasy is back! yay
The_Thief

How does Jackson fall to rd four, flacco to 12?!? Nice job.
The_Thief

You won this league when Turner dropped to 6th! IDP blows. Nice grab of Palmer n Daniels late. You got QB trade bait to work with too. Given that most people drafting 6th in a snake do terrible (cause snakes are unfair) I'd say you did A- work here. Well done!
The_Thief

I'd rather see you deal Deangelo for a better RB. I like using Meacham to do it. Try shooting for Turner. I agree u need a backup QB, I'm targeting Hasslebeck for it, he's pretty cheap. I'd hate to see you deal Portis, it KILLED me to miss him by two picks. I think, for 16 teams, you're OK in WRs.Welcome back!! =)
Chris

Hey thief nation, I just created a fantasy basketball league and was wondering if anyone wanted to join. E-mail me at cryan_nl@yahoo.com if you're interested. It is a 16 team H2H league (auction draft of course). Thanks everyone
morskie

I think my head is going to explode… Baseball playoffs, football drafts and now basketball… queue the music … "Its the most wonderful time of the yeeeeaaaar…. " LOL
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/4NGGHYYMQBHIINDPPLPS4OR4TA Carlos S.

Not on yahoo, is it?
morskie

not yahoo yet… but soon i'm sure
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/V5JT2FFLWEQK73GZX4JQAVEEBE qwan

Yeah you would think that would have an auction draft system for yahoo this year. If they did it for football. It's too early to consider basketball though. We are in dead heat with Football right now. It is too much going on. In addition, some of you guys are in baseball still lol.
morskie

They added auction to baseball and football this year… so i see no reason why basketball won't have it =)
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/V5JT2FFLWEQK73GZX4JQAVEEBE qwan

I picked up this keen sense from your website. I have a totally different outlook on fantasy than I did before becoming a member of ThiefNation
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/V5JT2FFLWEQK73GZX4JQAVEEBE qwan

Robbery of this decade lol.
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/V5JT2FFLWEQK73GZX4JQAVEEBE qwan

What are your categories that you will use?
eric

Awesome! Thanks, Thief. Think I need to upgrade my WRs? I was going to try to trade Palmer + 1 for Boldin. Since the team w/ Boldin has Kolb as his main QB. What do you think?His team:KolbMarshallBoldinFloydChris JohnsonSteven JacksonGatesArian FosterForsettJacoby JonesMcNabbMarion BarberMike Williams
The_Thief

Yeah it is.
The_Thief

Great idea!
eric

Haha, Thief. You always know how to put a smile on my face. I sent him Palmer / V Jax for Boldin. Hope he bites and I can't wait to see the results of your draft! I got another draft (auction, thank god) coming up this Saturday
morskie

Yahoo alert fail
acsparks714

They have auction for basketball on Yahoo.http://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/f…..I'm sure they will have more than 2 new features, at least I hope they will.
Chris

Standard 10 Categories, I sent you an e-mail about the other details. Oh, and can anyone interested reply to cryan_nl@hotmail.com instead. Thanks
its_andrew

Hey thief.. Just out of curiosity. Since you do have MJD ranked almost 2 pts. higher than CJ would you take him as a 2nd pick in a snake draft?
its_andrew

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Ryanai1991

Hey Fellas,I just drafted my 1st Fantasy Football team ever. How did I do?Chris Johnson, Stephen Jackson, Thomas Jones, Brian WestbrookBrandon Marshall, Chad Ochocinco, Santana Moss, Pierre Garcon, Jacoby Jones, Kenny BrittPhilip Rivers, Matt RyanBrent CelekMason CrosbyBaltimoreAny thoughts to hep make me better? Thank you…
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/V5JT2FFLWEQK73GZX4JQAVEEBE qwan

Man you got a really good squad. RB's are top tier. WR's are stacked to the T. Hey I would say you slayed them in the draft so far. Matt Ryan could prove to be a sell high candidate later on for a solid WR3 or maybe even WR2. I like your team.
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/V5JT2FFLWEQK73GZX4JQAVEEBE qwan

Nice! Sign me up. Are we shooting for divisions too with Roto style of play? That would be nice too.
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/V5JT2FFLWEQK73GZX4JQAVEEBE qwan

My main man AC always good for the info. Good looking out!
golfin14

Hey thief, can you take a look at my baseball team and see if I'm good to know the rest of the way or if I need to make any more moves..i've been kinda neglecting it lately but want to keep up on it. I'm currently in 3rd place…HittersMonteroPrince FielderDerek LeePradoAaron HillHanRamAramCarlos LeeCarlos QuentinAndrew McCutchenBeltranBJ UptonCocoa CrispBerkman-DLKinsler-DLPitchersWainwrightGreinkeNolascoPhil HughesCole HamelsMax ScherzerDempsterGregg-RPFeliz-RP
acsparks714

SECOND MOCK DRAFT!! Let me know how I did.QB – Joe Flacco $14RB – Michael Turner $47RB – Steven Jackson $41WR – Calvin Johnson $33WR – Roddy White $26WR – T.J. Houshmandzadeh $4TE – Visanthe Shiancoe $1K – Garrett Hartley $2DEF – Miami $1BN – Ben Roethlisberger $1BN – Michael Bush $3BN – Clinton Portis $1BN – Vincent Jackson $7BN – Santana Moss $4BN – Sidney Rice $2
acsparks714

I still had $13 left. Adrian Peterson went for $82 so I made sure I got two top RB.
Jaysfan_44

Hey thief…. Im starting up a 3 sport auction keeper I would like to get your advice on inter-league trading and if it can be done effectively… For example are there any rules you would suggest to make this a possibility ex: pujols for kevin durant so that the sanctity of both leagues are kept
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/V5JT2FFLWEQK73GZX4JQAVEEBE qwan

What!??? Man thats hardcore fantasy lol. What site does that?
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/V5JT2FFLWEQK73GZX4JQAVEEBE qwan

Man that sucks to have extra money left. $13 bucks can turn any of your players into an upgrade. You have three guys who wont be able to play in case of injury of your starters. (V-Jax, Big Ben, Rice) All these guys are looking to be out at least 6 games or more. If Flacco goes down. Or TJ Housh turns out to have a super slow year again or Calvin gets hurt again. This squad would struggle. Maybe im thinking too far ahead. You got them for the cheap though so no biggie. Thief may think differently though. I look at it like dont fill up on too many top tier guys. It works opposite direction too. Cant fill up on too many "maybe they have a solid second half" players. A couple are good, but 3 or more and you might be looking at the waivers for help.
The_Thief

yes
Aa

hopefully thief's got us on basketball
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HCSPPP4KG6MY65OYVZGFJZOIJM Mak

Thief,It just so happened that the same guy that offered me the first trade had Michael Turner, so i went ahead and offered him D Williams and Burleson, for Michael Turner and Vince Young and he ACCEPTED!Now i just have to sit back and see what the league says, but there shouldn't be too much rebuttal, since people don't check everyday yet and it's not entirely uneven. Thanks, because i was going to try that trade before, but i was thinking he's going to say what am i gaining from this, but apparently he likes Burleson that much.. I did too, but i like Turner more than Williams. AHHHHH Sweet Vict… (cough cough) nevermind.. Thanks again.
The_Thief

You damn right I do…….lots of readin to do
The_Thief

WOW. Round here we call that STR8 THIEVIN EM! Boooyahhh
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HCSPPP4KG6MY65OYVZGFJZOIJM Mak

I had to rep the Theivin name on this one! YEA BOY!
Jaysfan_44

Doing it on yahoo the 3 leagues are baseball basketball and football and each are auction drafts any thoughts?
its_andrew

Hey thief.. Just out of curiosity. Since you do have MJD ranked almost 2 pts. higher than CJ would you take him as a 2nd pick in a snake draft?
The_Thief

I'm contemplating it. I've never thought of it before and my instant reaction is no: because you'll have a last place team in one league dealing top players for a keeper in another. But there's a way around it too. Lemme ponder
Jaysfan_44

This is what I came up with tell me what you think…… I believe that this would allow for the sanctity of the leagues to be kept in tact while allowing the fun of the interleague trading give me some feedback…1. players that are traded across leagues must be used as keepers for the next 2 years minimum2. 2 previously kept players in each league will not be allowed to be kept and must go back into the draft at the end of the season3. League will vote 4. Team must stay within budget of $210EX: I GIVE PUJOLS I GET DURANT MY TEAM's basketball keepers for the year previous wade bosh nash steph curry Upon completion of the trade at the end of the season i must now drop 2 previously held keepers as a penalty for the "interleague trade" due to the advantage of having durant this season At the end of the season I must now drop:bosh and nash to be put back into the draft the following season and cannot be redrafted by the team that dropped them and my new keepers would be wade durant (must now be kept 2 more years)steph curry X from my roster BASEBALL keepers were the year previous halladay JJ hanley eithier kemp THIS team would now have to drop 2 keepers at the end of the season ethier and kemp NEW keepers pujols (must now be kept for 2 more years)jjhanleyhalladayX
The_Thief

Hmmmm. Here's my thoughts. My biggest concern with keepers, which I try to avoid completely, is a last place team trading a stud to a playoff team in exchange for a solid keeper.Using your suggestion of interleague deals, my advice is to allow deals of players not in season. This is tough due to the overlap of seasons though. But, like right now, a football an basketball keeper could be traded, just not a baseball one.Thoughts?
Jaysfan_44

yea that was my biggest worry and concern about the league…. I like that idea maybe it would just be best if i do not allow interleague trading at all to avoid the hassel
The_Thief

Here's a twist I added, I blog on it in my next post, allow off season keeper AND draft dollars trading. I.E. I'll give you Pierre Thomas and $30 of my draft dollars to have AP at his keeper cost.
Chris

4 Divisions, 16 teams. However, it is H2H (I always find it more fun if you're actually trying to beat someone each week). I hope that's ok?
http://twitter.com/Dalerax Robert Witt

Wow, looks like I might need a new league to play in. My buddy brought me in to the one I'm in currently with a bunch of his friends, and his dad is also in the league. Now those two are doing a Chris Johnson + Roddy White for Peyton Manning + Steve Smith (CAR) trade. Seems like obvious collusion to me. CJ is the #1 pick. If my league doesn't veto it, I think I'm done with this bunch. A shame too, this is my first year doing fantasy football and it's just about to start (even after the league manager was foolish enough to do the draft a month ago… something I was able to accept). My brief experience with fantasy sports has come from friends inviting me to leagues. Out of curiosity, where do you folks typically find a good and competitive league to play in? Thanks for the help Thief Nation!
The_Thief

The guys here started a solid league together FYI. Collusion blows.

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Steph Curry efficient in tough loss to OKC - Stephen Curry | GS

Stephen Curry hit 7-of-9 shots and a 3-pointer on his way to 16 points, seven rebounds, 10 assists and two steals in Tuesday's tough loss to the Thunder.

Monta Ellis scores career-high 48 in loss - Monta Ellis | GS

Monta Ellis hit 18-of-29 shots and three 3-pointers on his way to a career-high 48 points to go along with seven rebounds, two assists, two steals and a block in a tough loss to the Thunder.

Lee first Warrior to triple-double since '93 - David Lee | GS

David Lee had 25 points, 11 rebounds, 10 assists and a block on 9-of-19 shooting to become the first Warrior to triple-double since Chris Webber did so in 1993.

Daequan Cook hits five more treys in win - Daequan Cook | OKC

Daequan Cook hit 6-of-8 shots and five 3-pointers on his way to a season-high 17 points, along with three rebounds, in Tuesday's win.

Nikola Pekovic goes for 23 & 10 in start - Nikola Pekovic | MIN

Nikola Pekovic started and got hot again on Tuesday, hitting 9-of-12 shots for 23 points, 10 rebounds, three steals and two blocks in 37 minutes of a win over the Kings, the third straight for the Wolves.

Stephen Jackson plays 30 minutes in loss - Stephen Jackson | MLW

Stephen Jackson played 30 minutes and had 12 points, two rebounds, four assists and two 3-pointers on 4-of-11 shooting in Tuesday's tough loss to Phoenix.

Alonzo Gee plays well in first start - Alonzo Gee | CLE

Alonzo Gee made his first start (at shooting guard) for the banged up Cavs on Tuesday and had 17 points, one rebound, one assist, two steals, a block and a 3-pointer on 6-of-11 shooting in 35 minutes.

Pierce passes Bird for No. 2 scorer for Celts - Paul Pierce | BOS

Paul Pierce had 15 points, eight rebounds, nine assists and two 3-pointers as he passed Larry Bird to become the Celtics No. 2 all-time leading scorer on Tuesday.

Darren Collison scores season-high 25 in win - Darren Collison | IND

Darren Collison got hot on Tuesday and hit 10-of-14 shots and a 3-pointer on his way to a season-high 25 points to go along with four rebounds and five assists in a tough win over the Jazz.

Darko out on Tuesday, Pekovic starting again - Darko Milicic | MIN

Darko Milicic (ankle) will not play in Tuesday's game against the Kings.

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Rangers, Andrus agree to three-year contract - Elvis Andrus | TEX

Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com report that the Rangers and Elvis Andrus have avoided arbitration by agreeing to a three-year contract, pending a physical.

Royals, Alex Gordon close to one-year deal - Alex Gordon | KC

Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star reports that the Royals and Alex Gordon appear close to avoiding arbitration with a one-year contract.

Dodgers, Kershaw agree to two-year contract - Clayton Kershaw | LA

Dodgers and LHP Clayton Kershaw avoided arbitration by agreeing to a two-year, $19 million contract.

Report: Fish likely to sign Yoenis Cespedes - Yoenis Cespedes | INT

Juan C. Rodriguez of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel was told by an American League source that the Marlins are likely to sign Cuban outfielder Yoenis Cespedes.

Athletics sign GM Billy Beane though 2019 - Coco Crisp | OAK

During an interview with Bloomberg Television on Tuesday, Athletics owner Lew Wolff said that general manager Billy Beane and team president Michael Crowley will have their contracts extended through the 2019 season.

Yankees sign Bill Hall to minor league deal - Bill Hall | NYY

Yankees signed INF Bill Hall to a minor league contract.

Reds, Phillips not close to long-term deal - Brandon Phillips | CIN

The Reds have made no further progress on a contract extension for second baseman Brandon Phillips.

Jocketty: Reds' interest in Oswalt overblown - Roy Oswalt | PHI

Reds GM Walt Jocketty said Tuesday that he's had no recent discussions with Roy Oswalt's agent.

Pirates 'rebuffed' by free agent Roy Oswalt - Roy Oswalt | PHI

According to Rob Biertempfel of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, the Pirates were "rebuffed" by Roy Oswalt.

Nothing imminent between Yanks and Ibanez - Raul Ibanez | PHI

ESPN New York's Wallace Matthews was told nothing is imminent between the Yankees and Raul Ibanez.

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Chargers expected to waive LT Marcus McNeill - Marcus McNeill | SD

The Chargers are expected to waive LT Marcus McNeill to clear $10 million in salary cap space.

Giants TE Jake Ballard tore ACL in Super Bowl - Jake Ballard | NYG

The Giants announced Tuesday that further testing revealed a torn ACL for TE Jake Ballard.

Healthy Pennington leaning toward retirement - Chad Pennington | MIA

Though he believes his surgically repaired shoulder and knee would be healthy by training camp, free agent Chad Pennington is leaning toward retirement.

Ricky Williams closes door on colorful career - Ricky Williams | BAL

Ricky Williams has informed Ravens officials that he will retire after 11 NFL seasons.

Drew Brees' agent 'baffled' at pace of talks - Drew Brees | NO

ESPN’s John Clayton reports Drew Brees' agent Tom Condon is "baffled" by how slowly long-term contract negotiations have been going with the Saints.

Manning expects to meet with Irsay this week - Peyton Manning | IND

Peyton Manning (neck surgeries) expects to meet with Colts owner Jim Irsay this week to discuss his future with the team.

NFL suspends Steelers TE Saunders 4 games - Weslye Saunders | PIT

NFL suspended TE Weslye Saunders four games for violating the league's policy on performance enhancing substances.

Report: Knowshon Moreno arrested for DUI - Knowshon Moreno | DEN

FOX 31 Denver reports that Knowshon Moreno was arrested on drunken driving charges on February 1.

Steelers tab Todd Haley to coordinate offense - Steelers Offense | PIT

Steelers hired Todd Haley as offensive coordinator.

Pats confirm McDaniels as new o-coordinator - Patriots Offense | NE

Patriots named Josh McDaniels offensive coordinator.

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